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Next time it could be a child. What is it about so many Warringtonians and macho dogs?

I am continually amazed at the amount of careless dog owners on Sankey Valley. Only on Sunday our dog was bitten by another dog whose owner seemed to be intoxicated and stood chatting away to his friends whilst his dog follow us, our kids and our dog (who was on his lead) over the bride and proceeded to get in to a fight with our dog. Luckily I was able to send the kids further on with my friend whilst I endeavoured to seperate the animals, had I been on my own - who knows what might have happened. Why can't people put their dogs on a lead when they are around other animals / kids? Its not difficult and better safe than sorry. We've seen this man on numerous occassions and those dogs are always walking him! For the record we have a Staffy who is fabulous, it's rarely the dog that's the problem it usually the owners and their inability to control their animals.

Bring back dog licensing and charge owners £1000 for a license to own one of these types of dog. The dog and it's owner should both be destroyed. Vicious scum.

if this was caught on video can you not put up better pic so we can at least see who he is from a better shot and wen he is found i hope he getts send down for years

I cannot understand why the pit bull was off the lead in the first place? This breed comes under the dangerous dog act and should never be let off the lead. I am a dog owner myself and would never let my dogs off the lead near any other animals or children. I completely agree that Licences need to be brought back. I also think that the RSPCA should have alot more authority like the Americans do.

There are several pictures in the paper, all very clear so that someone’s bound to recognise the owner and or the dogs. What amazes me is that having had the dogs attack the swan once, this idiot brings them back half an hour later to finish off the job. The guy should be prosecuted for his uncaring neglect.

Whilst this incident is going on, why is this 'witness' taking photos instead of helping the guy, if it could of been stopped sooner maybe the swan could of been saved. And why did he let the man just walk away? If you can't control your dog(s), don't let them off the lead, simple as. They are a potential danger to others their children/pets and general wildlife if you have no control. A well trained dog is a dog that does not need not to be on a lead. Owners need to take responsibility. As other posters put, it is the fault of the owner not the dog, and this type of dog needs a strong owner, of which this owner isn't. Some adults today obviously think it is okay to let their dogs run wild just like some do their kids, thus ruining it for the rest. People need to take responsibility.

You can't blame the witnesses for not wanting to get involved. Would you want to be on the receiving end of an out of control pit bull? At least they got some photos so that this idiot can be identified. The maximum penalty for killing a swan is six months in prison and I hope they send him down for the full stretch. Then there's the fact that he owns a pit bull which is banned under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are notices everywhere warning people to stay away from the swan's nest and this clown walks past it with two dangerous dogs off their leads. One attacks the swan and then he walks past again half an hour later, with the dogs [bold]still[/bold] off the lead, to finish the job. There's no doubt he is negligent and I hope they really punish him for it. As has been said already, what if it was a child?

'[italic]italic[/italic] The maximum penalty for killing a swan is six months in prison and I hope they send him down for the full stretch' are you serious?

The common quote heard from dog owners on Sankey Valley is " its alright the dog doesn't bite. It'll be alright." Well obviously on this ocasion it wasn't I agree with previous posters, Bring back dog licensing and strict guidelines and punishment for those who don't adhere. I have 2 small children, both of which hide behind me or my wife whenever dogs come near them. They don't need to be terrorised by some vicious animal when on a walk down to the canal. Its not just pit bulls, staffs or dobermans, all dogs can be vicious. and what fo you get from the owner........"its alright, it won't bite them" and they crap everywhere too.

What an idiot. The poor swans, what will happen to the eggs and the male now? He should have put them on the lead on the way back at least. The dogs should be destroyed and he should be prosecuted. Hope he is pleased with himself.

[quote][bold]Repairman Jack[/bold] wrote: Next time it could be a child. What is it about so many Warringtonians and macho dogs? [/quote] Like so many meathead Warringtonians - probably needs such a dog to make up for his lack of manhood.

Please note there was only 1 dog under the Dangerous Dog Act, Stafforshire Bull Terriers are not part of this. It is the owner that should be destroyed for his lack of responsibility and control...

The eggs had disappeared by Saturday morning apparently. It’s actually illegal to remove the eggs from the nest which is why they were left on Friday night after the incident. We were hoping the male might have been able to hatch them. As far as I’m aware though the male swan has now left the area – I haven’t seen him all week. Not surprising as he’s lost his mate and eggs. I’d like to say a big thank you to the RSPCA guys who attended last Friday. I was concerned that the swan would be left suffering over night but the inspector swiftly and very sensitively handled the situation.

wow! so many "pit bull" experts. if the truth be known wouldnt know a "pit bull" if they fell over one. if this had of been a jack russel terrier, nobody would have batted an eyelid, believe me there are many dogs that would've attacked this swan. the owner is to blame for not being in control of his dogs. someone said "next time it could be a child" oh purleeze, before people start making statements such as that, do your research instead of believeing all the media feeds you!

Enlighen us then,star, no child has ever been attacked by this type of dog, I suppose. Do you have such a dog - if so, why - because they are vicious I would suggest.

Enlighen us then,star, no child has ever been attacked by this type of dog, I suppose. Do you have such a dog - if so, why - because they are vicious I would suggest.

I agree with you star, you shouldnt comment on these Dogs unless you actually know what your talking about

[quote][bold]Repairman Jack[/bold] wrote: Enlighen us then,star, no child has ever been attacked by this type of dog, I suppose. Do you have such a dog - if so, why - because they are vicious I would suggest.[/quote] Repairman Jack, you are just showing your general ignorance. Star never said that "this type of dog" has never attacked. Star was implying that because a dog has animal aggression, it does not mean it has human aggression. Pit Bulls were breed to be non-human agressive so that they could be cleaned up after fights, but don't let small matters like facts get in your way.

[quote][bold]Repairman Jack[/bold] wrote: Enlighen us then,star, no child has ever been attacked by this type of dog, I suppose. Do you have such a dog - if so, why - because they are vicious I would suggest.[/quote] has no child ever been killed by any other breed? any breed can be dangerous in the wrong hands! i own 2 staffordshire bull terriers, so yes you could say i own that "type" of dog and no they are not vicious they are very even tempered as it happens. my dogs have never attacked anyone or shown any signs of aggression, so should they be blamed for the minority. thats whats happening the world over!

[italic]""my dogs have never attacked anyone or shown any signs of aggression"[/italic] The mantra given by anyone whose dog has maimed or killed a child, adult or other do. I expect this owner to make a similar claim if and when he kis identified Back up your statements with some stats or your opinion has no greater validity than mine.

Repairman Jack, You wanted stats so I thought I would provide you with some. It is quite hard to get stats for this country so I thought I would use some from America, were all of the big bad "Pit Bulls" live. This is from a group called the American Temperament Test Society, as here they test the temperament of dogs at the owners wishes. The scores are as follows; Dog Pass Rate Pitbull 84.3% Beagle 80.3% Bearded Collie 53.3% Border Collie 80.3% Welsh Corgi 75.4% Chihuahua 70.3% Springer Spaniel 84.5 Golden Retriever 84.2 Labrador 91.8% Staffie 88.8% As you can see the Pitbull and the staffie do very well when compared to other dogs with only the labrodor coming out a lot higher. Now I realise that this isn't a perfect test and that some Pitbull's and staffies are vicious but you can't tar them all with the same brush. www.atts.org Also other breeds of dogs do bite, for example last year it was in the MEN that a border collie bit part of a young girls nose off, but I suppose that is different isn't it?

There is no place for these kind of dogs in this country. I accept that some are mild mannered (rarely) and beloved pets of people who need company. so lets neuter all these breeds now, and let this be the last generation. if you dont get it neutred you get it put down.

[quote][bold]Legion[/bold] wrote: There is no place for these kind of dogs in this country. I accept that some are mild mannered (rarely) and beloved pets of people who need company. so lets neuter all these breeds now, and let this be the last generation. if you dont get it neutred you get it put down.[/quote] Legion, So because of a bad few, and it is only a minority as staffies are the 5th most popular dog in the country. There are about 10,000 puppies born each year and they live for about 12 years it means that at any one time there are roughly 120,000 alive and you may hear of 10 - 20 stories a year (so a lot less then even 0.1 per cent). We should terminate the whole breed. That makes sense. At the moment there are constant stories in this very paper of young people fighting (and at times killing each other), does this mean we should steralise every human as that would make the world a better place. Before you say its not the same, you are right, it is worse when a human does it as we are meant to be an intelligent breed and we understand consequences. I personally hope they catch the owner of these two dogs and serve him the maximum punishment as what happened was disgraceful and it is people like him who do not deserve to own this wonderful breed..

As a staffie owner and a regular walker to the area where this awful incident took place, I do feel I had to comment on this page, anyone owning any kind of dog be it large or small should take full responsibility of making sure their dog is undercontrol and well trained at all times especially in public parks where families are with their children, I own a staffie and have two young children from a young age my staffie attended puppy classes and was taught the basic commands, the most important recall! when out on the park whenever I see other dogs or families with small children I always put my dog on alead, staffordshire bull terriers are the most people friendly dogs I have come across, owning other breeds in the past, but any well written dog book about the breed will tell you they need to be under strict control around other dogs and animals!!Any dog psychologist or animal bevahiourist will tell you that dog/animal aggression does not go together with human aggression all breeds can be dangerous if they want and no dog should ever be trusted 100% around children, in the last 50 yrs numerous different breeds have killed people including a golden retriever and a westie!! would people want to see a ban on these breeds, I think not, people need to take responsibility for their animals and when meeting others in the park always keep your dog on a lead and under control before this gorgeous breed is labelled Dangerous.

"There is no scientific proof that genetics cause a breed of dog to be aggressive, vicious or dangerous." - testimony from Standing Committee on amendments to the Dog Owners Liability Act. 2005: 0.1% of the "pit bull" population is responsible for attacks on humans, that means 99.9% of the "pit bull" population never attack or show signs of aggression. These bites are to humans, not to other animals or pets. In 2005, 39 dog bites and three cat bites were reported. By breed, dog bites included: Labrador-retriever mix, six each; chow and rottweiler, four ; Jack Russell, German shepherd mix, terrier and cocker spaniel, three; bulldog, pitbull and schnauzer, two; Australian shepherd and mastiff, one each. In 2006, 29 dog bites and four cat bites were reported: Labrador-retriever, 10; cocker, six; terrier and rottweiler, three; chow and pitbull, two; and shepherd mix, one. This year to date, there have been nine dog bites and two cat bites reported: Labrador-retriever, three; and one each by rottweiler, cocker mix, Jack Russell, chow mix, poodle and pit bull.

[bold]bold[/bold] [italic]italic[/italic] [bold]bold[/bold] After seeing this week’s front story of the brutal attack on the female swan, and reading the people's comments I feel I need to say more on the matter to yourselves and not just posting my opinion on the comment page. My husband and I live next to Sankey Vally in Waterways we have three young children 12, 6 and 2 plus we are also VERY PROUD ONWERS OF ONE BEAUTIFUL MALE BRINGLE STAFFORDSHIRE BULL named Cj. I happened to be in the park on that sad day around 4.00pm walking home from school with my two daughters. That idiot was in the park then and yes his two dogs were both off the lead and even at this time they ran straight to the swan's nest in the reeds. I also like to say the owner was no where near to supervise or restrain his dogs they were left unattended for agood 5 mins. Owner too busy chatting to some-one. The reason why I remember this is because my youngest daughter kept on saying "Cj dog Cj". I would like to point out at this point that yes the white dog may possible of been a pit bull but the other one was NOT a Staffordshire bull. It was a cross breed of sorts. Its head was the wrong shape, it had longer legs and a fatter body. My family are responsible and loving owners of our dog. Our dog is a family pet and is brilliant with our children and others who come to play. However when walking Cj he is ALWAYS kept on a lead in the park because of the wildlife, children and other dogs, also this is just good common curtsey towards other people. We all have the right to enjoy the park but I feel some dog owners (mostly the older generation) have a strong opinion on how as they put it "dangerous dogs" should be controlled. 9 times out of ten when we are in the park their dogs are off the lead. It is always their dog who comes over to ours, we have to politely ask the owner to call their dog or restrain them. When we do usually they say "oh the dog is friendly, his alright", but when we say "yes that’s all very well but our dog isn’t keen on yours" the owner on most occasions Tuts or moans. I have had countless arguments with other dog owners, when asking them to call their dogs or put them on the lead until we go pass. All these owners that I have seen their dog might not be a dangerous breed yet they still pose a threat to my children, me and Cj being off the lead. It should be one rule for all or not at all. I feel people also make comments on certain topics in this case breeds of dogs without doing they research first. I have been stopped a few times since this incident, and I do feel on edge every time I walk Cj now. You just know that people are pointing staring even shaking their heads in disgust. Please spare a thought for the nice dogs out there. Just like people there are horrible ones but also good one. It’s very sad that only bad press ever gets written about these dogs. I feel you should report both sides of this so called dangerous dog. Come to ours any-time see for yourselves. Meet Cj. From Marie Donno. In relation to my previous e-mail I would like to add, May-be Warrington council should reinstate rangers back to patrol and look after the park .Not only are dogs a treat but teenagers, only last week my husband witness a group of lads throwing stones at the swans. Should all "teenagers" be listened or put down like as I keep saying so called "dangerous dogs".

At the end of the day a swan with eggs as been put down. These dogs are a pest and the chav berks who own them. My dog was attacked by one of these last night.

My dog also has been attack by other breeds of dogs in the park. I would also like to point out that as always ours is on a lead but the attacking dog is not. We all have a reasonabilty to look after and care for our and other dogs WHAT EVER THE BREED!!!!!!!!!

What about the teenagers who throw stones at the swans.Should they be lisenced or put down,just like dogs good and bad.

I have to agree with the comments marie.donno had made and I feel the same frustration when out walking my brindle staffie, I always keep him on a lead when out walking near other dogs, and the amount of people who let their dogs come running upto mine saying "oh it's o.k mine is friendly", for only to turn around and have a go at my dog, whether they are friendly or not they should be kept on a lead around other dogs until you have made sure with the owner that their dog is o.k.many wildlife are killed everyday in not nice circumstances, cats kill birds on nests most days, would we be band from keeping cats!!

I WOULD HARDLY BUT INTO CONTEXT A CAT KILLING A BIRD AND A SWAN WHICH IS PROTECTED . BEING MURDER BY A VICIOUS BREED OF DOGS.

Please put this story into context, not every-one who owns "dangerous breeds of dogs" (as every-one likes to call them )are chav berks.This man clearly has no respect for ANY-ONE or ANY-THING. Its his lack of control over his OWN dogs which has lead to an innocent swan and eggs to be destroyed. All the moaning and **** is not going to change what has happened,so hopefully poeple can learn from this horrible attack.Lets try to show alittle curtsey to all onwers of all breeds.This shouldnt be allowed to happen again. LIKE I SAID BEFORE "BRING THE RANGERS BACK". I CERTAINLY WOULD VOLUNTEER TO HELP.

[quote][bold]maca100000[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day a swan with eggs as been put down. These dogs are a pest and the chav berks who own them. My dog was attacked by one of these last night. [/quote] My Staffordshire Bull Terrier has been attacked by a Dalmation (twice), a German Shephard, a Cairn Terrier and a pair of mongrels (at the same time) as Marie.Donno dog mine was on his lead each time and theirs were not. Should we put all of these dogs down? Or is it is just dogs that you don't like that we are going after? I have no children but seen as though a small percentage go round mugging old people, fighting and robbing should we put all children down?

[quote][bold]maca100000[/bold] wrote: I WOULD HARDLY BUT INTO CONTEXT A CAT KILLING A BIRD AND A SWAN WHICH IS PROTECTED . BEING MURDER BY A VICIOUS BREED OF DOGS.[/quote] You do realise all birds are protected when nesting, so if a cat kills a bird that is nesting at the time am offence has been commited. Can I also ask why it is murder when a dog does it but not a cat?

Surely every breed of dog is capable of being dangerous as is a swan.I think peoples perception of this type of dog is led by the media highlighting attacks.What happened was horrendous and worse when you realise that swans mate for life. I have a rare breed of dog which means many peole approach it as if it were a toy. I ALWAYS keep her on a lead when children are around as I feel I have a duty to make them feel relaxed around a dog.Owning a dog and taking it to training by a professional has certainly taught me things never even thought of before. As with most things in life read the instructions before use

just give urself up,the more you hide the more justice will take on you,be a MAN and call at the police station

I don't think that the dogs should ne destroyed or castrated the problem is with the owner. "KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEAD AND UNDER CONTROL. THEN THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT MAY NOT HAPPEN!!" That goes for all types of dogs.

[quote][bold]Legion[/bold] wrote: There is no place for these kind of dogs in this country. I accept that some are mild mannered (rarely) and beloved pets of people who need company. so lets neuter all these breeds now, and let this be the last generation. if you dont get it neutred you get it put down.[/quote] THis sounds like a sensible solution but wouldn't it be more sesnible to neuter the dog's owner instead? Do we really want brainless idiots like this reproducing???

[quote][bold]birma04[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Legion[/bold] wrote: There is no place for these kind of dogs in this country. I accept that some are mild mannered (rarely) and beloved pets of people who need company. so lets neuter all these breeds now, and let this be the last generation. if you dont get it neutred you get it put down.[/quote] THis sounds like a sensible solution but wouldn't it be more sesnible to neuter the dog's owner instead? Do we really want brainless idiots like this reproducing???[/quote] It really would be more sensible to neuter the brainless idiots (as they are the problem not the dogs). Although the amount of brainless idiots we have in this country I am not sure the already overworked NHS could cope.

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